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Thursday, November 30, 2006

Are Human Beings Special?

One of the foundations of Western thought is that human beings are set apart from the rest of creation as special and having intrinsic value. We confirm this thinking consciously or unconsciously when we speak of the sanctity of human life or, on a more religious level, ascribe to the notion that man is made in the image of God. I certainly can’t speak with authority about other religions except to note that Buddhist, Muslim and Hindus writings to some degree also support this notion as well. Many of our laws and customs have grown out of this concept. Increasingly, however, there is a tendency to regard humans as simply one species among many and having no distinctive claims to importance. The champions of this notion often invoke the fact that man has only been on the planet a very short time ("Why, time-wise, we're just a blip on the radar screen") and our tendency to pollute and despoil. That is not to say that the proponents of this idea view all species as equal, however. They still view the animal kingdom as a kind of hierarchy based largely on intelligence (it's OK for the tuna to get caught in the net but not the dolphins). Though humans may rank high in this scheme, they only occupy one end of a large sentient continuum; they differ from other species only in degree, not kind. One needn’t be an atheist or agnostic to hold this view; one only needs to imagine a god who gives attention to creation as a whole rather than one who bestows unique significance to one particular variety.
Enter Peter Singer, controversial ethicist from Princeton who advocates, among other things, a parent’s rights to perform infanticide on their “defective” (however defined) infants and euthanasia for anyone who can no longer think and/or feel (also, however defined). For Singer, the only thing of intrinsic value is the degree to which individual creatures feel pain, pleasure, and are aware of their surroundings. And even though humans are generally at the top of the chart for these categories, it is not their "humanness" per se that gives them value. Thus, a smart chimpanzee is worth more than a mentally challenged human. To think otherwise is to be guilty of “speciesism,” the illogical favoring of one creature class over another. For Singer, if it is justifiable to perform experiments on monkeys, it is also justifiable to perform experiments on severely retarded infants (who, he argues, have the same (or even a lesser) amount of awareness than do monkeys).
Now, I think it's fair to say that there are many people who, while agreeing with the thinking expressed in the first paragraph would, nevertheless, recoil at Singer's position. The point of this post is--why should they? Isn't Singer's view the logical outcome of their own? It might be argued that one could stay in paragraph one without agreeing with Singer by arguing that because we are human we should give our group priority just as other species do for their own. Thus, all species are (for evolutionary purposes) genetically wired to favor their kind--wiring that provides "survival value" which, in turn, helps them propogate. But once we accept the fact that it is only genetic wiring that prompts these inclinations, why should we feel compelled to obey them? We're certainly not in any danger of running out of people. And there are other "survival impulses" such as unbridled lust and personal vengeance that we chose to sublimate as individuals and as a society to fulfill the "social contract" or whatever you want to call it. I'm afraid the only way to stay away from Singer is to reject the views expressed in the first paragraph as well. This leaves us not only with the idea that humans are, indeed, of inherent value--but, that like all things of inherent value, can only be made so by an outside authority that demands reverence.

18 Comments:

Blogger bfoxy37 said...

Great post Unca. I agree with your point that if you extrapolate the idea that if all species are basically equal, then people have some major animal rights work to do.

7:54 PM  
Blogger jay are said...

Wow. When all is said and done, your last sentence sums up my position and feeling on the subject.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an interesting subject and a great post. It leaves me with way more questions than answers, including:
So what is "value"? Is the idea of a difference between inherent value and value *to* someone/something meaningful?

It seems like you're saying that value must be conferred (ie, by God), but that doens't sound like inherence any more, that sounds like value TO someone (God) again (ie, subjective value).

4:53 PM  
Blogger Blogball said...

Unca thank you for this well expressed and interesting post.
You have made some points I have not heard before. This gives me plenty of talking points when I get into conversations concerning this subject.

Bryan has an interesting question. I of course had to read it 20 times (one of my birth defects) before I think I understood it.

5:18 PM  
Blogger Blogball said...

Hey Bryan, are you saying that / IS *Not* the same if “YOU” / or “me” ie {US}and from the
%OTHER% one has the same #difference#^^^## as him or she ie them?

Sorry I had to do that. We can continue with the conversation now.

6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are human beings special?
This really got me thinking, and although my writing is not eloquent, it is from actual experience with people in situations where they may not be “thinking, or feeling pain, pleasure or awareness of their surroundings”. If left alone, these people would die naturally, with no one to feed them, no one to clean up after them, no one to care for them. I work in a community where I go from house to house helping people care for their loved ones, many of whom cannot eat, cannot talk, cannot pee, cannot poop, cannot wake up, cannot move, cannot do anything except breath in and breath out on their own. The families of these people care for them out of love and respect for their humanness. They change adult diapers, change their catheters, bathe them, turn them, tube feed them, etc… I believe this is pretty special. They give up their own life—jobs, commitments, to care for their parents or children.. Is there any other species that cares for their friends or loved ones as humans do? I don’t think so… (Maybe because the animal species has not developed artificial means to keep their loved ones alive beyond what is natural).. Humans sometimes choose to stop tube feeding these loved ones, and let them die a natural death (this is not painful, contrary to popular thought) I don’t think I would like to judge this action unless I had walked in the caregiver’s shoes and cared for and loved the person as he or she did. Would you like to be a caregiver? Would you like to be the patient? (Fancy philosophy sometimes needs a real-world reply)

8:16 PM  
Blogger unca said...

Bryan, re: So what is "value"? Is the idea of a difference between inherent value and value *to* someone/something meaningful?
Yes, I think it is. Something can have inherent value (to God) yet not be of value to me since I might use my own measuring stick. My point is, that we should be using God's criteria, not our own. Conversely, We can hold something in high value (a Porsch) and yet it has no inherent value to God who's values, I would argue, are not subjective but absolute (unless we choose not to believe in God or that his values are subject to criticism in which case we have a subject for another post. It could also be argued, I suppose, that God's ways are inscrutable and that we have no way of knowing what God values--I don't agree with this but, again, a different matter).
Anonymous, I'm not sure that viewing human beings as having inherent value necessarily means never pulling the plug (to put it crudely) but that we simply should approach such issues with a different frame of reference than we do in our choices regarding other beings.

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think if your argument presupposes
a) a God, and
b) that you understand Him and his values,
that you've already won by virtue of the context in which you've presented your argument.

I suspect many of the people who argue that "we're all animals with equal value" either
a) don't believe in God, or
b) don't have the same opinion about his/her values.
I took you to acknowledge this in your original post (as you said, "imagine a god who gives attention to creation as a whole"), but you seem to have drifted away from it in your last comment.

But I take the main point of your post to be the following:
People who deny specialness-conferred-by-God but nonetheless feel humans are special are inconsistent; there's no logical reason to infer specialness in humans except as deriving from God.

Kind of like:
Believers say humans are special.
Group B says humans are special.
To be consistent, Group B must be believers also.

If I'm on the right track, consider this from the devil's advocate:
A. Belief in God is not supported by logic (ie, it's about faith).
B. Unca's humans-as-special view derives from something not supported by logic.
C. One-species-among-many folks hold humans as special simply because they say they are.
D. Therefore, Unca and the One-species-among-many folks are equally illogical in their contention that humans are special.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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12:01 PM  
Blogger unca said...

You write:
If I'm on the right track, consider this from the devil's advocate:
A. Belief in God is not supported by logic (ie, it's about faith).
B. Unca's humans-as-special view derives from something not supported by logic.
True enough but it is supported by a faith in something outside of myself and having authority over me.
C. One-species-among-many folks hold humans as special simply because they say they are.
I doubt if this qualifies as a value at all since it can obviously change from moment to moment and from person to person.
D. Therefore, Unca and the One-species-among-many folks are equally illogical in their contention that humans are special.
Yes, mine is only logical within the realm of my faith. But it is that faith that legitimizes it and gives it authority. You may have a different faith in something outside yourself that legitimizes values as well, but I am under no obligation to accept it. I also believe that my faith is grounded in something that is universally true whether someone else agrees to accept it or not. I believe it not because it provides me with something (although this is certainly true enough); but ultimately, I believe it because I believe it to be the truth.
The person without belief outside himself is still obligated to justify that truth to me. I am not under the same obligation since I'm settled on the original source.

6:55 PM  
Blogger unca said...

Perhaps this may be another way to confirm that "without God, everything is permitted." Seems true enough.

7:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

B. Unca's humans-as-special view … is supported by a faith in something outside of myself and having authority over me.
But from a logical/empirical standpoint, it’s outside yourself and above you only because you declare it to be; what makes that declaration more valid than the one-among-many folks’ declaration that humans are special?

C. One-species-among-many folks hold humans as special simply because they say they are.
I doubt if this qualifies as a value at all since it can obviously change from moment to moment and from person to person.
Okay. So how long does a belief have to be held, and by how many people, before it qualifies as a value? Does the fact that other people hold the same value as I do actually grant legitimacy to my beliefs or the rules I live by? If so, is anti-semitism a value? If I live my whole life – or even a year – believing that humans are special, I would say that qualifies as a value even if I’m the only one in the world who thinks so…

D. Therefore, Unca and the One-species-among-many folks are equally illogical in their contention that humans are special.
Yes, mine is only logical within the realm of my faith. But it is that faith that legitimizes it and gives it authority.
I understand, but since your faith is not proven, it really can’t grant any authority, except to YOU.

I also believe that my faith is grounded in something that is universally true whether someone else agrees to accept it or not. I believe it not because it provides me with something (although this is certainly true enough); but ultimately, I believe it because I believe it to be the truth.
The above is an eloquent declaration of faith, and powerful in informing one’s personal choices and life purpose, but still of no relevance to the question of whether one-among-many-but-no-Singer is a logically supportable position.

[from earlier, pasted here]
You may have a different faith in something outside yourself that legitimizes values as well, but I am under no obligation to accept it.

The person without belief outside himself is still obligated to justify that truth to me. I am not under the same obligation since I'm settled on the original source.


But in this case, no one asked you to accept anything. You were the one who assailed another position (one-species-among-many, but still rejecting Singer) as being inconsistent or insupportable.

You’re absolutely right that you’re not obligated to accept someone else’s values, but neither are they required to accept ours. When we claim to be settled on the original source, from a logical standpoint all we’ve made is a declaration of certainty, and an explanation of how we derive our values – it carries no critical weight, and cannot in any way impeach another person’s philosophical position.

If you wish someone else to accept God’s authority – and the idea that He is outside/above you – without proving it, then I’m back to the contention that you’ve won the argument before you start by virtue of the context you’ve defined for the discussion.

As someone said to me when I was on the other side of a similar discussion one time: “Your argument boils down to ‘My invisible friend in the sky told me’.” And basically, from the perspective of Logic, he was right.

As to Dostoevsky’s “everything-is-permitted”, it makes sense – without God, values are whatever people decide they are and declare them to be. But a fair amt of the time, humans have chosen values over no-values, and have established social/legal systems to enforce those values, whether out of a sense of enlightenment, or (more probably) because natural selection has preserved the societies that have values and weeded out the ones who didn’t.
And when societies invent values, they almost always invent the supernatural authority behind the values. I’m not talking about any particular faith – just because people invent gods doesn’t prove that there isn’t one – but even a devout follower (of any faith) is typically able to accept that people have invented a lot of other gods and attributed to them elaborate sets of values that many people follow. Would you agree with that?

10:36 AM  
Blogger unca said...

You wrote: But a fair amt of the time, humans have chosen values over no-values, and have established social/legal systems to enforce those values, whether out of a sense of enlightenment, or (more probably) because natural selection has preserved the societies that have values and weeded out the ones who didn’t.
......Yes, they have chosen values over no-values without necessarily thinking about the source of the values. However, as I noted earlier, if "natural selection" is the only reason for these values, then we have to ask ourselves two questions: 1) why should we continue to follow those values when we know the species will be perpetuated even if we don't follow them and 2) what if we (or maybe just I) don't happen to agree that the species is worth preserving? -- no reason to follow the rules then. If, however, the values come from some higher authority (again, something outside ourselves that demands reverence)then we follow the rules because they are the right (moral) thing to do. You may call these values "first principles" our "self-evident truths" or "eternal moral duties" or "the tao"--but they are things eternal and somehow imprinted on our hearts; they are "invented" by caprice or circumstance or preservation. But (I hear you say)these "truths" vary from society to society and from culture to culture and it thus proves how relative and changing these truths or values must be. To this response, I throw in my lot with C.S. Lewis (and others) who call this notion a sort of grand lie--that there are more similarities of values across ages, societies, cultures and individuals than there are differences. In Lewis' "Abolition of Man" he goes so far as to set out what these values are. One needn't be a believer to adhere to and follow and even value these truths but their source must be acknowledged to grant them validity.

9:15 AM  
Blogger unca said...

Obviously, what I meant to write, above, was,"but they are things eternal and somehow imprinted on our hearts; they are NOT "invented" by caprice or circumstance or preservation.

7:51 AM  
Blogger unca said...

Just to clarify, what I'm trying to do is move the values from special revelation (‘My invisible friend in the sky told me’) to general revelation: principles vouchsafed to us and generally recognized as true.

8:00 AM  
Blogger Rob said...

1) why should we continue to follow those values when we know the species will be perpetuated even if we don't follow them and
2) what if we (or maybe just I) don't happen to agree that the species is worth preserving? -- no reason to follow the rules then.

What I hear above is that if people don't believe rules come from Ultimate Authority, they may not follow them. So is the point that we must believe in Ultimate Authority merely to preserve stability?
To answer your specific questions:
1) we may choose to follow the rules because we want more than the mere perpetuation of the species. following the rules preserves our culture, our standard of living, and possibly our lives.
2) if you don't agree with the rules, you may still have to follow them because society is invested in having as many people as possible follow them, and will discourage you from violating them (by actual penalty or other more subtle social pressure).
As to why *should* you follow them, the position I'm taking in this discussion is that there is no ultimate "should" or "ought" at all. You may do as you like, but if you break the rule about not killing people, I or society may choose to punish you or remove you.


...these things...are things eternal and somehow imprinted on our hearts; they are [not] "invented" by caprice or circumstance or preservation.

OTOH, maybe it's just that the most effective rules for each place/time are the ones that survive, resulting in considerable variety as to detail, as well as a certain amt of commonality (eg, concept of ownership - don't steal; rules re when it's okay/not okay to kill; rules WRT sex, in order to promote societal stability; etc)
If you look at religion itself, all the ones I know of promise the same three basic things:
1) we (and our ancestors/loved ones) will not cease to exist
2) our lives matter (eg, cosmic justice/judgment)
3) community, group membership, & identity
The actual rules themselves (and the variety found therein) aren't as significant as the fact that underlying those rules one always (?) finds the same three elements above.


In Lewis' "Abolition of Man" he goes so far as to set out what these values are. One needn't be a believer to adhere to and follow and even value these truths...
I understand and agree with this part.

...but their source must be acknowledged to grant them validity.
I don't know how to logically get to this statement. I'd like to read Abolition of Man to be better able to hold my own in this discussion...

... move the values from special revelation ... to general revelation: principles vouchsafed to us and generally recognized as true.
I understand where you would like to go, but I'm not following the logical/empirical reasoning path to get there...

4:22 PM  
Blogger unca said...

So is the point that we must believe in Ultimate Authority merely to preserve stability?
***No, but it is ultimate authority or a belief in first principles (whether we believe or not) that provides the three rules you note below. If we believe the three rules are only the result of natural selection then they carry no moral weight--they simply evolved. Also, you don’t need to recognize this source if you don’t wish to.***

following the rules preserves our culture, our standard of living, and possibly our lives.
***Well, yes but it doesn't provide a way to determine if these things are worth preserving. See natural selection, above***

You may do as you like, but if you break the rule about not killing people, I or society may choose to punish you or remove you.
***No argument here.***

If you look at religion itself, all the ones I know of promise the same three basic things:
1) we (and our ancestors/loved ones) will not cease to exist
2) our lives matter (eg, cosmic justice/judgment)
3) community, group membership, & identity
The actual rules themselves (and the variety found therein) aren't as significant as the fact that underlying those rules one always (?) finds the same three elements above.
***This statement seems to be in keeping with “first principles,” idea, etc. Again, it is how those principles were derived that allows us to confirm their validity. Is it natural selection or general moral revelation.***

...but their source must be acknowledged to grant them validity.
I don't know how to logically get to this statement. I'd like to read Abolition of Man to be better able to hold my own in this discussion...
*** I should have stated this differently. They have validity whether we acknowledge their source or not. Maybe I should have stated, “to understand why they are valid…” Also, I’m not sure that Lewis goes this far in his book or whether he would agree with me on this. The book is actually a critique of subjectivism and he uses the “first principles” idea to refute it by demonstrating the commonality of morals across cultures. ***
... move the values from special revelation ... to general revelation: principles vouchsafed to us and generally recognized as true.
I understand where you would like to go, but I'm not following the logical/empirical reasoning path to get there...
***Well, the empirical part would be the survey of similar values in cultures around the globe and the notion that they all contain your three elements. I think the general revelation idea provides room for a variety of UA. Rather than Ultimate Authority, perhaps it makes more sense to speak of first principles which are in themselves valid even if they do not carry a survival value (or even a stability or cultural value) - I.e. they are true at all times and in all places--they are true even if they don’t serve some other purpose; they are not merely means to another end. Would you agree that there are such values that fall in this category? Sorry this response is so rambling. I think this blog post is a work in progress and I appreciate your continuing the thread. *** Also, sorry I couldn't get the italics tag to work.

9:02 PM  
Blogger Dan Agonistes said...

In Abolition Lewis acknowledges that through natural selection humans have a survival instinct WRT to their children and grandchildren but don't with regards to the species as a whole. Only people brought up to think in a certain way about posterity think collectively.

In his view it is in explaining other altruistic behavior (sacrificing one's life for others or working for the good of posterity) that the "Innovator" as he calls those who would search for a new basis for morality, have difficulty.

Getting back to the original post it seems self-evident that if one believes there is nothing that gives any creatures value outside the physical world, then one may do whatever is most expedient at both the individual and group level.

But people in the real world who actually believe this only do so up to a point. When asked if they would torture babies if it was a societal norm most recoil at the idea because there is something in them which tells them they "ought" not to do that. And that's essentially restating Unca's point about Singer - people may give intellectual assent to the idea that underlies his position but the Tao keeps them from embracing it.

9:32 PM  

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